The Shadows of Totalization, Part XXX
I can also say,
This dot is bleu:
This dot is rouge:
It turns out I am not lying to myself-- I am inventing a new terminology or learning or practicing a few words from some other language. It could be by happenstance the language is French.
Even if my use of this new terminology becomes so skilled no conscious effort is required, and even if I no longer remember the older terminology, I am not sure I have succeeded in lying to myself about these dots, these sensations.
This dot is bleu:
This dot is rouge:
It turns out I am not lying to myself-- I am inventing a new terminology or learning or practicing a few words from some other language. It could be by happenstance the language is French.
Even if my use of this new terminology becomes so skilled no conscious effort is required, and even if I no longer remember the older terminology, I am not sure I have succeeded in lying to myself about these dots, these sensations.
posted by Yusef Asabiyah at 11:17 AM
18 Comments:
Gee, I didnt know you knew French
That's nothing... You should hear my Danish.
-Y
Interesting that you used "skilled" here, instead of habituated, condition, trained. I usually think of skill as learning something difficult and discriminating, not simply washing in the way of the current brainwash.
Whatever is habituated, conditioned, or trained comes to be performed without conscious effort.
My motivation is to learn the limitations of conceptualizing thought(thinking) in terms of consciousness (conscious effort) and representation. So what I am trying to determine is just how far in terms of one's own conscious effort one can go to lose consciousness without being aware of intending to lose conscious effort.
One can be brainwashed, but can one brainwash oneself? If so, how? It would require skill, but in order to work, one would be required to not notice one's own skill. That, I think, is impossible, and if so, shows a limitation of conceptualizing thought(thinking) in terms of consciousness and representation.
-Yusef
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