Tuesday, November 01, 2011

Umpired Umbathy, Pathic and Pathological, Part I

I am here to serve others;

This is my love;

I serve those who are above me hierarchically;

This is my love;

To those below me I offer an opportunity of service;

This is my love;

I command them to serve me;

I command them to love me;

As I have loved:

I discipline and straighten their love;

This is how I am above them;

As I have been disciplined and straightened by those above me;

That is why they are above me and those below me.

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Blogger Christoffer said...

Russianbrides, nice poem.

Yusef, hope all is well and you enjoy the winter.

Can philosophy really be used for anything real? It cannot change anything since it merely is a reflection of dominating patterns of thinking in one age or another, be it science, art, culture, or politics.

I think that was the reason I abandoned philosophy.

12:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can philosophy really be used for anything real? It cannot change anything since it merely is a reflection of dominating patterns of thinking in one age or another, be it science, art, culture, or politics.

This is an excellent question, unless you are contrasting what philosophy does with some other way of doing things which somehow or other is posited to have immediate and uncritical access to reality and real things.

-Yusef

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Blogger Christoffer said...

But philosophy doesnt "do" anything.

Action I believe do have a direct access to reality and real things.

So a combination of philosophy and action is something worthwhile, whereas philosophy on its own is very doubtful.

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Blogger Christoffer said...

I propose a new paradime for philosophy, that every single philosophical idea expressed discoursely, must be expressed in action as well in daily life. And the relation between the expressions of the idea, must be clarified in a metadiscourse. If a philosopher is unable to create the relation between two expressions, then the idea must be abandoned atleast for that time.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

I propose a new paradime for philosophy, that every single philosophical idea expressed discoursely, must be expressed in action as well in daily life.

I believe what you are proposing is what a Marxist would call praxis, the combining of theory and practice.

I don't at all see this as an abandonment of philosophy, but I want to make this clarification. What it means to act, how this is conceived, requires philosophy. Without philosophy, the way we think of action is uncritical, and conformist. As a conformity, it is uncreative and in my way of thinking it isn't actually active.

I took some of what you've previously written as an understanding of this, e.g. your discussions of objectivity. This may be oversimplified, but conventionally to act has involved treating the world and life itself as an object--everything as an object (and strangely, in a peculiarly vanishing-point infinite regress, action itself is conceived as an object.) When you've tried to treat this condition critically, I feel you've come close to acting. I would hate to see you abandon this in order to pursue some more commonly understood sort of action.

I think the interest of the Enlightenment, the way we've tried to understand it, has been as a time when thought was active. When thought was doing something. As you know, upon examination, this view becomes fraught with difficulty. However, I still like this as the definition of Enlightenment: the reactivation of a philosophical ethos.

--Yusef

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yusef, maybe the time is right to print out all the text material on the blog, and go them over, and find out if they can fit together in a structured way instead of simple chronological order or headings. Christoffer

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's an excellent suggestion, Christoffer.

I have to say, however, every time I have attempted to become serious and organized on this blog, what resulted was a long stall-out. In fact, this is the precise reason I'm stalled now.

I may start over by posting a long outline, and I may use the problem you have posed as my thesis.


--Yusef

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

What you think about the above mentioned title, that I am sure you must have read?

Chrisoffer

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It is an excellent book, beautifully written, with an important message. Actually, I still think about it from time to time.

The way it is eventually revealed the feared enemy is not Phaedrus but the deadened rationalist into which Phaedrus has been submerged--that was stunning.

-Yusef

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